Hearken, O Mādhava, what more can I say?
Nought can I find to compare with love:

Though the sun of the East should rise in the West,
Yet would not love be far from the worthy,

Or if I should write the stars of heaven on earth,
Or if I could pour from my hands the water of all the sea.

-- Vidyapati

I feel my body vanishing into the dust whereon my beloved walks.

I feel one with the water of the lake where he bathes.

Oh friend, my love crosses death's boundary when I meet him.

My heart melts in the light and merges in the mirror whereby he views his
face.

I move with the air to kiss him when he waves his fan, and wherever he
wanders I enclose him like the sky.

Govindadas says, “You are the gold-setting, fair maiden, he is the
emerald”

Among the hills, when you sit in the cool shade of the white poplars, sharing the peace and serenity of distant fields and meadows – then let your heart say in silence, “God rests in reason.”
And when the storm comes, and the mighty wind shakes the forest, and thunder and lightning proclaim the majesty of the sky, – then let your heart say in awe, “God moves in passion.”
And since you are a breath in God’s sphere, and a leaf in God’s forest, you too should rest in reason and move in passion
.

-- Kahlil Gibran, The Prophet

Open your eyes ...

Open your eyes ...

Mirror-pond of stars …

Suddenly a summer

shower

Dimples the water.

-- Sesshi

He who has been instructed thus far in the things of love, and who has learned to see the beautiful in due order and succession, when he comes toward the end will suddenly perceive a nature of wondrous beauty(and this, Socrates, is the final cause of all our former toils)—a nature which in the first place is everlasting, not growing and decaying, or waxing and waning; secondly, not fair in one point of view and foul in another, or at one time or in one relation or at one place fair, at another time or in another relation or at another place foul, as if fair to some and foul to others, or in the likeness of a face or hands or any other part of the bodily frame, or in any form of speech or knowledge, or existing in any other being, as for example, in an animal, or in heaven, or in earth, or in any other place; but beauty absolute, separate, simple, and everlasting, which without diminution and without increase, or any change, is imparted to the ever-growing and perishing beauties of all other things. He who from these ascending under the influence of true love, begins to perceive that beauty, is not far from the end. And the true order of going, or being led by another, to the things of love, is to begin from the beauties of earth and mount upwards for the sake of that other beauty, using these as steps only, and from one going on to two, and from two to all fair forms, and from fair forms to fair practices, and from fair practices to fair notions, until from fair notions he arrives at the notion of absolute beauty, and at last knows what the essence of beauty is.

“This, my dear Socrates”, said the stranger of Mantineia, “is that life above all others which man should live, in the contemplation of beauty absolute.... But what if man had eyes to see the true beauty—the divine beauty, I mean, pure and clear and unalloyed, not clogged with the pollutions of mortality and all the colours and vanities of human life—thither looking, and holding converse with the true beauty simple and divine? Remember how in that communion only, beholding beauty with the eye of the mind, he will be enabled to bring forth, not images of beauty, but realities (for he has hold not of an image but of a reality), and bringing forth and nourishing true virtue to become the friend of God and be immortal, if mortal man may.Would that be an ignoble life?”

-- Plato, Symposium

Wednesday, April 24, 2024

GREECE AND EGYPT: WHAT DOES HERODOTUS SAY. DARK-SKINNED GREEK HEROES.


Beneath are extracts from Book 2 (“Euterpe”) from The History” by 5th Century BCE Greek historian Herodotus.


“The male kine, therefore, if clean, and the male calves, are used for sacrifice by the Egyptians universally; but the females they are not allowed to sacrifice, since they are sacred to Isis.

The statue of this goddess has the form of a woman but with horns like a cow, resembling thus the Greek representations of Io; and the Egyptians, one and all, venerate cows much more highly than any other animal.

 

(This certainly reminds me of the beliefs of the Ancient Vedic Indians.

Bulls could be sacrificed or eaten, but the cow was sacrosanct.

I know these claims are hotly disputed nowadays.

I beg to disagree with the Hindutva crowd: it makes perfect sense that once upon a time, our forefathers ate all sorts of meat.

It’s normal, it’s healthy.

It was the natural thing to do before the advent of agriculture & city-life.

There is nothing wrong in eating beef: billions of people who eat beef are not inferior – morally, spiritually, intellectually, or physically – to cow-worshiping Hindus.

Vegetarianism is a later development.

The extreme virulence, with which extremist Hindus abuse & attack others on this point, is evidence of their own mental instability.

They have to be militant, because they’re being blatantly stupid.

Since you can’t give a rational argument, you have to threaten to break, thrash & kill.

So they created a furor, trying to stop Ranbir Kapoor & Alia Bhatt from entering the Mahakaal Temple at Ujjain: but then both “big-beef” eater Ranbir, & Alia, were invited to the Rām Mandir inauguration by the big champions of Rām Rājya!

And this is how the Hindutva crowd makes a colossal fool of itself.

That said, I do respect the cow – it’s a beautiful, gentle & docile creature which deserves our love & gratitude – and I would never touch its meat.

The beef that ancient Indians ate might have been bull meat, like the Egyptians, not cow meat.

AND FOR ALL THAT, HOW IS IT THAT I DO NOT FIND ANY SIGNIFICANT COW SYMBOLISM IN ANY OF THE EXTANT HINDU TEMPLES?

HOW IS IT THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY COW-GODDESS?

HOW IS IT THAT THE LION, ELEPHANT, YĀLI, MAKARA, SERPENT, BOAR, MONKEY & DEER ARE THE MOST COMMONLY DEPICTED ANIMALS ON HINDU TEMPLES (THE BULL BEING VERY COMMON IN SOUTH INDIA), BUT THERE IS SUCH A NOTICEABLE PAUCITY OF COWS?

I THINK THERE ARE MORE CAMELS THAN COWS, IN INDIAN TEMPLES!

IF INDIANS WORSHIPPED THE COW SO ARDENTLY, I WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE DEPICTED ALL OVER THE PLACE.

TRUTH IS, IT IS HARDLY SEEN ANYWHERE.)

...

“Such Egyptians as possess a temple of the Theban Jove, or live in the Thebaic canton, offer no sheep in sacrifice, but only goats; for the Egyptians do not all worship the same gods, excepting Isis and Osiris, the latter of whom they say is the Grecian Bacchus.

Those, on the contrary, who possess a temple dedicated to Mendes, or belong to the Mendesian canton, abstain from offering goats, and sacrifice sheep instead.

The Thebans, and such as imitate them in their practice, give the following account of the origin of the custom: “Hercules,” they say, “wished of all things to see Jove, but Jove did not choose to be seen of him. At length, when Hercules persisted, Jove hit on a device — to flay a ram, and, cutting off his head, hold the head before him, and cover himself with the fleece. In this guise he showed himself to Hercules.”

Therefore the Egyptians give their statues of Jupiter the face of a ram: and from them the practice has passed to the Ammonians, who are a joint colony of Egyptians and Ethiopians, speaking a language between the two; hence also, in my opinion, the latter people took their name of Ammonians, since the Egyptian name for Jupiter is Amun.

Such, then, is the reason why the Thebans do not sacrifice rams, but consider them sacred animals.

Upon one day in the year, however, at the festival of Jupiter, they slay a single ram, and stripping off the fleece, cover with it the statue of that god, as he once covered himself, and then bring up to the statue of Jove an image of Hercules.

When this has been done, the whole assembly beat their breasts in mourning for the ram, and afterwards bury him in a holy sepulchre.






























(Herakles with Minerva and Juno (Hera).

Image from Wikimedia Commons.

This is the link: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Herculaneum_Collegio_degli_Augustali_Ercole_sull%27Olimpo.jpg

Yes, so Roman frescoes & all, with a few exceptions, have all dark-skinned men, and all fair-skinned women and children.

I have noted this point earlier.

I have also wondered if the White Man would ever portray himself as being dark-skinned.

It’s highly unlikely.

Please allow me to clarify that I do not hate the White race, and have no inimical feelings towards them.

But it’s a simple psychological fact: would a White-skinned man ever paint his White-skinned Hero or God as a Dark-Brown skinned man?

I don’t think so.

Dark-reddish brown, as anyone can see.

But why are the women fair?

And the children?

To that, I have no convincing answer: it seems to me that fair women were considered more desirable – or it was an artistic license sort of thing – or an artistic convention, like a certain body type (very muscular bodies, for instance, hardly found in Hindu-Jain-Buddhist Indian art).

I have other thoughts, but I  don’t want to articulate them, right now.)



(The myth of Hercules & Jove reminds me of the episode from the Book of Exodus, in which Moses expresses his desire to see the face of God (Exodus 33):

18 And Moses said, Lord, show thou thy glory to me.

19 God answered, I shall show all (my) good(ness) to thee, and I shall call in the name of the Lord before thee, and I shall do mercy to whom I will, and I shall be merciful, either goodly, on whom it pleaseth me. 

20 And again God said, Thou mayest not see my face, for a man shall not see me, and live.

(And then God said, But thou cannot see my face, for no one can see me, and live.)

21 And again God said, A place is with me, and thou shalt stand upon a stone;

 (And God said, Here is a place beside me, and thou shalt stand on a rock)

22 and when my glory shall pass (by), I shall set thee in the hole of the stone, and I shall cover thee with my right hand, till that I pass (by);

23 and (then) I shall take away mine hand, and thou shalt see mine hinder parts, forsooth thou mayest not see my face.”

The infinite, inexhaustible, limitless Supreme Being of the “Monotheistic” Bible has a “right hand” and a backside too!

Such are the beliefs of those who accuse “Gentiles” of “idolatry”!)

 

“The account which I received of this Hercules makes him one of the twelve gods.

Of the other Hercules, with whom the Greeks are familiar, I could hear nothing in any part of Egypt.

That the Greeks, however (those I mean who gave the son of Amphitryon that name), took the name from the Egyptians, and not the Egyptians from the Greeks, is I think clearly proved, among other arguments, by the fact that both the parents of Hercules, Amphitryon as well as Alcmena, were of Egyptian origin.

Again, the Egyptians disclaim all knowledge of the names of Neptune and the Dioscuri, and do not include them in the number of their gods; but had they adopted the name of any god from the Greeks, these would have been the likeliest to obtain notice, since the Egyptians, as I am well convinced, practised navigation at that time, and the Greeks also were some of them mariners; so that they would have been more likely to know the names of these gods than that of Hercules.

But the Egyptian Hercules is one of their ancient gods.

17,000 years before the reign of Amasis, the 12 gods were, they affirm, produced from the 8: and of these 12, Hercules is one.

 

“In the wish to get the best information that I could on these matters, I made a voyage

to Tyre in Phoenicia, hearing there was a temple of Hercules at that place, very highly venerated.

I visited the temple, and found it richly adorned with a number of offerings, among which were two pillars, one of pure gold, the other of emerald, shining with great brilliancy at night.

In a conversation which I held with the priests, I inquired how long their temple had been built, and found by their answer that they, too, differed from the Greeks.

They said that the temple was built at the same time that the city was founded, and that the foundation of the city took place 2,300 years ago.

In Tyre I remarked another temple where the same god was worshipped as the Thasian Hercules.

So I went on to Thasos, where I found a temple of Hercules which had been built by the Phoenicians who colonised that island when they sailed in search of Europa.

Even this was five generations earlier than the time when Hercules, son of Amphitryon, was born in Greece.

These researches show plainly that there is an ancient god Hercules; and my own opinion is, that those Greeks act most wisely who build and maintain two temples of Hercules, in the one of which the Hercules worshipped is known by the name of Olympian, and has sacrifice offered to him as an immortal, while in the other the honours paid are such as are due to a hero.”
































(Hercules with Omphale.

Image from Wikimedia Commons.

This is the link: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Eracle_e_onfale,_da_scavo_del_principe_di_montenegro,_pompei,_9000.JPG

Here, Hercules actually looks like an African.

There is NO QUESTION of his being Caucasian.

He would pass for a dark-skinned Asian from Dravidian India (as if there are no dark-skinned people in Maharashtra or U.P. or Punjab!) or Sri Lanka or Bangladesh, but it’s obvious that African is a better candidate for an image made in Pompeii.

And here, Hercules is BLACK.)


...


“To Bacchus, on the eve of his feast, every Egyptian sacrifices a hog before the door

of his house, which is then given back to the swineherd by whom it was furnished, and by him carried away.

In other respects the festival is celebrated almost exactly as Bacchic festivals are in Greece, excepting that the Egyptians have no choral dances.

They also use, instead of phalli, another invention, consisting of images a cubit high, pulled by strings, which the women carry round to the villages.

A piper goes in front; and the women follow, singing hymns in honour of Bacchus.

They give a religious reason for the peculiarities of the image.

...

Melampus, the son of Amytheon, cannot (I think) have been ignorant of this ceremony — ay, he must, I should conceive, have been well acquainted with it.

He it was who introduced into Greece the name of Bacchus, the ceremonial of his worship, and the procession of the phallus.

He did not, however, so completely apprehend the whole doctrine as to be able to communicate it entirely; but various sages since his time have carried out his teaching to greater perfection.

Still it is certain that Melampus introduced the phallus, and that the Greeks learnt from him the ceremonies which they now practise.

I therefore maintain that Melampus, who was a wise man, and had acquired the art of divination, having become acquainted with the worship of Bacchus through knowledge derived from Egypt, introduced it into Greece, with a few slight changes, at the same time that he brought in various other practices.

For I can by no means allow that it is by mere coincidence that the Bacchic ceremonies in Greece are so nearly the same as the Egyptian—they would then have been more Greek in their character, and less recent in their origin.

Much less can I admit that the Egyptians borrowed these customs, or any other, from the Greeks.

My belief is that Melampus got his knowledge of them from Cadmus the Tyrian, and the followers whom he brought from Phoenicia into the country which is now called Boeotia.”

 


(A dark-reddish brown beardless, youthful (almost boyish) Herakles in the Garden of Hesperides.

Image from Wikimedia Commons.

I think this is the link

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hercules_garden_hesperides_hel_hi.jpg

The image is uncannily similar to that of the Serpent of Eden on the Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil – as both are, to many similar images from the Ancient Middle East, with a serpent wrapped around a tree.

Mind you, this is a 4th century CE image.

There’s tremendous consistency in the projection of Greco-Roman heroes as dark skinned over centuries.)



Almost all the names of the gods came into Greece from Egypt.

My inquiries prove that they were all derived from a foreign source; and my opinion is that Egypt furnished the greater number.

For with the exception of Neptune and the Dioscuri, whom I mentioned above, and Juno, Vesta, Themis, the Graces, and the Nereids, the other gods have been known from time immemorial in Egypt.

This I assert on the authority of the Egyptians themselves.”

 

(Juno is undoubtedly related to the Sanskrit yonithe source, the origin, the wombplace of birth, spring, fountainplace of rest, repository, receptacle, seat, abode, home, lair, nest, stable.

But “Juno” is not the Greek name – the translator means to say Hera or Here.

Quite contrary to all opinion, I think the Greek Hera/Here may be related to the Sanskrit Hari or Hara – in turn, related to the Egyptian Horus, i.e. Har or Heru.

In India, “Hari” is a name applied to several important gods.

The Sanskrit hīra (pronounced heer) – interestingly means a diamond, a thunderbolt, a lion, & a serpent. 

Hīra is also a name of Shiva.

Hīrā is a name of Lakmī.

The word Rhea – name of the consort of Kronos-Saturn — Mother of the Olympians – is either an anagram of Hera, or maybe derived from the Sanskrit – a name for Aditi, the mother of the Devas.

It may also derivable from the Sanskrit s – “to run, flow, speed, glide, move, go”.

Again, by Vesta he probably means Hestia, and by Neptune he means Poseidon.

The translator is egregiously misleading, using the later Roman names for the original Greek ones!

I have a suspicion that Themis is derived from Dharma, like the Pali Dhamma.

But the genesis of all these names is likely to be way more obscure & complicated.)

 

“The gods, with whose names they profess themselves unacquainted, the Greeks received, I believe, from the Pelasgi, except Neptune.

Of him they got their knowledge from the Libyans, by whom he has been always honoured, and who were anciently the only people that had a god of the name.

The Egyptians differ from the Greeks also in paying no divine honours to heroes.

...

“Besides those which have been here mentioned, there are many other practices whereof I shall speak hereafter, which the Greeks have borrowed fom Egypt.

The peculiarity, however, which they observe in the statues of Mercury they did not derive from the Egyptians, but from the Pelasgi; from them the Athenians first adopted it, and afterwards it passed from the Athenians to the other Greeks.

For just at the time when the Athenians were entering into the Hellenic body, the Pelasgi came to live with them in their country, whence it was that the latter came first to be regarded as Greeks.

Whoever has been initiated into the mysteries of the Cabiri will understand what I mean.

The Samothracians received these mysteries from the Pelasgi, who, before they went to live in Attica, were dwellers in Samothrace, and imparted their religious ceremonies to the inhabitants.

The Athenians, then, who were the first of all the Greeks to make their statues of Mercury in this way, learnt the practice from the Pelasgians; and by this people a religious account of the matter is given, which is explained in the Samothracian mysteries.”






































(Another very dark-brown Herakles-Hercules.

The Wikimedia Common links are:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hercules-and-telephus.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Herculaneum_-_Augusteum_-_Hercules_and_Telephos_-_Detail_2.jpg

Hercules doesn’t have any Caucasian features whatsoever.

Again, he looks African.

Yes, he might also pass for a dark-skinned South-East Asian, but it’s more likely he was an African, because Italy is much closer to Egypt than to India, and this image is from 1st century CE Herculaneum!

Anybody reading these posts should decide for himself/herself, if I’m missing something!

I’m going exactly by what I can see.

And all these inputs merely reinforce whatever Herodotus says.)




(P.S.

Regarding the beef issue, or generally the meat-eating issue .... Conservative Indians think that Hinduism was absolutely perfected & fixed something like 5,000 or 10,000 or 50,000 years ago, and has remained perfectly unchanged & static, for all that time.

On the other hand, Liberal Indians demolish Hinduism by attributing everything to some or the other “influence”.... like the gutter view that Hindus “copied” vegetarianism from Buddhism.

That is utter nonsense.

Buddhists were, and still are, non-vegetarians, though there might have been dietary restrictions for monks – different restrictions in different eras & regions.

I prefer seeing Hinduism as something that constantly & dynamically grew, learnt, readjusted, adapted, evolved and transformed itself in response to various new & different experiences and developments in its own history, in the course of its own existence.

There is some evidence to think that Brāhmaas have been vegetarians for about 2,000 years – but it’s highly unlikely they were, at the beginning.

“O Rāghava, five kinds of five-nailed animals,

śalyaka (porcupine or hedgehog),

śvāvidha (also a type of porcupine? maybe a kind of boar),

godhā (iguana),

śaśa  (hare or rabbit) and fifth,

kūrma (the turtle)

are edible for Brāhmaas and Katriyas”.

So says Vālī to Rāma, after being shot by the latter, in the Rāmāyaa.

The evidence is overwhelming.

It’s ridiculous to call it all misinterpretation or interpolation.)















“You can be sure of succeeding in your attacks if you only attack places which are undefended. You can ensure the safety of your defense if you only hold positions that cannot be attacked. Hence that general is skilful in attack whose opponent does not know what to defend; and he is skilful in defence whose opponent does not know what to attackO divine art of subtlety and secrecy! Through you we learn to be invisible, through you inaudible; and hence we can hold the enemy’s fate in our hands.”

– Chapter 6, The Art of War by Sun Tzu